Comments on: We know about Internet Explorer http://blog.goplanapp.com/2006/09/12/internet-explorer-support/ A blog on Goplan, an online project management and collaboration tool by Webreakstuff. Thu, 04 Mar 2010 20:41:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Goplan » Ready for Internet Explorer 7 http://blog.goplanapp.com/2006/09/12/internet-explorer-support/comment-page-1/#comment-73 Goplan » Ready for Internet Explorer 7 Sat, 07 Oct 2006 21:37:15 +0000 http://blog.goplan.org/2006/09/12/internet-explorer-support/#comment-73 [...] A couple of weeks ago we posted about our support for Internet Explorer and promised to work on it because even though we prefer features to hacking support for browsers, we can’t deny the fact that most of you guys work with clients who don’t know better. [...] [...] A couple of weeks ago we posted about our support for Internet Explorer and promised to work on it because even though we prefer features to hacking support for browsers, we can’t deny the fact that most of you guys work with clients who don’t know better. [...]

]]> By: Tekno Seyir » Blog ArÅŸivi » Proje yönetimi için alternatifler http://blog.goplanapp.com/2006/09/12/internet-explorer-support/comment-page-1/#comment-65 Tekno Seyir » Blog ArÅŸivi » Proje yönetimi için alternatifler Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:42:25 +0000 http://blog.goplan.org/2006/09/12/internet-explorer-support/#comment-65 [...] Goplan genel olarak baÅŸarılı olsa da, eksikleri de var. Internet Explorer’da düzgün görüntülenemiyor, bu hatayı düzelteceklermiÅŸ; ve RSS desteÄŸi için parola koruması özelliÄŸinin olması gerekiyor, sonuçta projelerde genelde gizlilik önemlidir. Ve ek olarak, Goplan’ın adresi goplan.org ÅŸeklinde, goplan.com ve goplan.net adresleri baÅŸkaları tarafından alınmış. Belki çok önemli gibi görünmeyebilir, küçük bir ayrıntıdır. Ama bence böyle bir sistem için kalan .org uzantılı adresi almak yerine baÅŸka bir isim bulabilirlerdi. [...] [...] Goplan genel olarak baÅŸarılı olsa da, eksikleri de var. Internet Explorer’da düzgün görüntülenemiyor, bu hatayı düzelteceklermiÅŸ; ve RSS desteÄŸi için parola koruması özelliÄŸinin olması gerekiyor, sonuçta projelerde genelde gizlilik önemlidir. Ve ek olarak, Goplan’ın adresi goplan.org ÅŸeklinde, goplan.com ve goplan.net adresleri baÅŸkaları tarafından alınmış. Belki çok önemli gibi görünmeyebilir, küçük bir ayrıntıdır. Ama bence böyle bir sistem için kalan .org uzantılı adresi almak yerine baÅŸka bir isim bulabilirlerdi. [...]

]]> By: Mind Booster Noori http://blog.goplanapp.com/2006/09/12/internet-explorer-support/comment-page-1/#comment-46 Mind Booster Noori Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:08:50 +0000 http://blog.goplan.org/2006/09/12/internet-explorer-support/#comment-46 It would be nice to see some browser statistics about the user agents of those who reach http://goplan.org/index.html ... It would be nice to see some browser statistics about the user agents of those who reach http://goplan.org/index.html …

]]> By: Doug Farnes http://blog.goplanapp.com/2006/09/12/internet-explorer-support/comment-page-1/#comment-41 Doug Farnes Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:13:54 +0000 http://blog.goplan.org/2006/09/12/internet-explorer-support/#comment-41 Sorry for the dupe. I hadn't read the blog yesterday and I also sent a short note re: IE breaking the layout. :) My concern for lack of IE support has nothing to do with me. I use Firefox and I would assume that most of <em>your</em> clients for Goplan (i.e. web developers, freelance designers, etc) use a non-IE browser also. As I alluded to in my note, however, most of <em>our</em> clients probably use IE. Hence, it precludes us using Goplan as a collaborative project management tool if IE isn't supported. Just food for thought... I look forward to the coming enhancements, keep up the great work! Sorry for the dupe. I hadn’t read the blog yesterday and I also sent a short note re: IE breaking the layout. :)

My concern for lack of IE support has nothing to do with me. I use Firefox and I would assume that most of your clients for Goplan (i.e. web developers, freelance designers, etc) use a non-IE browser also.

As I alluded to in my note, however, most of our clients probably use IE. Hence, it precludes us using Goplan as a collaborative project management tool if IE isn’t supported.

Just food for thought…

I look forward to the coming enhancements, keep up the great work!

]]> By: Sérgio Carvalho http://blog.goplanapp.com/2006/09/12/internet-explorer-support/comment-page-1/#comment-39 Sérgio Carvalho Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:06:18 +0000 http://blog.goplan.org/2006/09/12/internet-explorer-support/#comment-39 Naturally, the approach is the one you use: Aim for the standards, correct non-standard browsers in the end of the development cycle. I was not criticizing that. > you need to explore browser quirks in css parsing to give it the wrong values Don't go down that path. Use the rewrite engine on apache to serve a conditional CSS: <code> RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} AppleWebKit RewriteRule ^(.*)/browser-specific.css$ \ $1/safari.css \ [redirect,last] </code> Naturally, the approach is the one you use: Aim for the standards, correct non-standard browsers in the end of the development cycle. I was not criticizing that.

> you need to explore browser quirks in css parsing to give it the wrong values

Don’t go down that path. Use the rewrite engine on apache to serve a conditional CSS:

RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} AppleWebKit
RewriteRule ^(.*)/browser-specific.css$ \
$1/safari.css \
[redirect,last]

]]> By: Fred Oliveira http://blog.goplanapp.com/2006/09/12/internet-explorer-support/comment-page-1/#comment-38 Fred Oliveira Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:21:46 +0000 http://blog.goplan.org/2006/09/12/internet-explorer-support/#comment-38 It is possible to be standards compliant and support IE6, yes. Still (and this may get technical), you need to explore browser quirks in css parsing to give it the wrong values it would need to correctly display information. Doing that now and not next week when we're still moving things around, testing out new things and generally working on the code, would be a mistake. Also, guidelines are fine, but they clash with Microsoft's plan to irradicate all browser hacks upon release of IE7, on which they'll break. Supporting "A-grade" now would mean having things break when IE7 moves from RC1 to final. For more on this, have a look at Molly's weblog. Anyway, I don't want to get into technicalities here, I'd rather leave that side of me for WSG and IxDA mailing lists, or I may be throwing rocks soon :-) Re mailbox: No, it isn't broken, but we do get over a hundred requests/day, which makes it impossible to reply to every single person if we want to keep working on the product itself. You have, though, been added to the queue, and should have an invite soon. It is possible to be standards compliant and support IE6, yes. Still (and this may get technical), you need to explore browser quirks in css parsing to give it the wrong values it would need to correctly display information. Doing that now and not next week when we’re still moving things around, testing out new things and generally working on the code, would be a mistake.

Also, guidelines are fine, but they clash with Microsoft’s plan to irradicate all browser hacks upon release of IE7, on which they’ll break. Supporting “A-grade” now would mean having things break when IE7 moves from RC1 to final. For more on this, have a look at Molly’s weblog.

Anyway, I don’t want to get into technicalities here, I’d rather leave that side of me for WSG and IxDA mailing lists, or I may be throwing rocks soon :-)

Re mailbox: No, it isn’t broken, but we do get over a hundred requests/day, which makes it impossible to reply to every single person if we want to keep working on the product itself. You have, though, been added to the queue, and should have an invite soon.

]]> By: Sérgio Carvalho http://blog.goplanapp.com/2006/09/12/internet-explorer-support/comment-page-1/#comment-37 Sérgio Carvalho Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:03:01 +0000 http://blog.goplan.org/2006/09/12/internet-explorer-support/#comment-37 It *is* possible to be standards-compliant and support IE6. At blog.com we decided to follow Yahoo's guidelines on grades of support: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/gbs.html Aiming for 95% A-Grade. We currently support IE6, Safari, Opera, FF1 on A-Grade. From our stats, this puts us on 98% of our user base A-Grade compliant. Is the mailbox hello at webreakstuff, er... broken? I sent a note there requesting an invite for GoPlan. You may answer "No!", but please answer... It *is* possible to be standards-compliant and support IE6. At blog.com we decided to follow Yahoo’s guidelines on grades of support:
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/gbs.html

Aiming for 95% A-Grade.

We currently support IE6, Safari, Opera, FF1 on A-Grade. From our stats, this puts us on 98% of our user base A-Grade compliant.

Is the mailbox hello at webreakstuff, er… broken? I sent a note there requesting an invite for GoPlan. You may answer “No!”, but please answer…

]]> By: Mind Booster Noori http://blog.goplanapp.com/2006/09/12/internet-explorer-support/comment-page-1/#comment-36 Mind Booster Noori Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:29:57 +0000 http://blog.goplan.org/2006/09/12/internet-explorer-support/#comment-36 While I totally agree with you - we should do webapps using standards, not in an effort to guess how IE behaves - you really have to support Internet Explorer if you want it's users, nobody (unfortunately) is going to switch browser just because of goPlan... You also spoke about IE7 - maybe it would not be a bad idea to test goPlan with it, just to see how less suckiness you'll get from it. Unfortunately, my guess is that goPlan will still look uterly broken with it. While I totally agree with you – we should do webapps using standards, not in an effort to guess how IE behaves – you really have to support Internet Explorer if you want it’s users, nobody (unfortunately) is going to switch browser just because of goPlan… You also spoke about IE7 – maybe it would not be a bad idea to test goPlan with it, just to see how less suckiness you’ll get from it. Unfortunately, my guess is that goPlan will still look uterly broken with it.

]]> By: s/earch/ · “We know about Internet Explorer” http://blog.goplanapp.com/2006/09/12/internet-explorer-support/comment-page-1/#comment-35 s/earch/ · “We know about Internet Explorer” Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:04:55 +0000 http://blog.goplan.org/2006/09/12/internet-explorer-support/#comment-35 [...] “… we just don’t like it much.” It’s a small post, but very meaningfull by Frederico (Fred) Oliveira from Webreakstuff. I totally subscrive it. It’s about how Goplan does not work well on Internet Explorer 6 because it (IE6) does not respect standards. I wrote severall times about this. Now, Fred, even IE7 is not going to be very standard respectfull. But at least it can render .PNG (web standard) images. As for positioning and dimensions… let’s wait and see. I know you know this and i do have the same perfect answer: get firefox. or any other much better standard compliant browser. As an example i use Gnome Epiphany as much as Firefox. Goplan renders great under Gecko engine. [...] [...] “… we just don’t like it much.” It’s a small post, but very meaningfull by Frederico (Fred) Oliveira from Webreakstuff. I totally subscrive it. It’s about how Goplan does not work well on Internet Explorer 6 because it (IE6) does not respect standards. I wrote severall times about this. Now, Fred, even IE7 is not going to be very standard respectfull. But at least it can render .PNG (web standard) images. As for positioning and dimensions… let’s wait and see. I know you know this and i do have the same perfect answer: get firefox. or any other much better standard compliant browser. As an example i use Gnome Epiphany as much as Firefox. Goplan renders great under Gecko engine. [...]

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